tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post6995024075926384230..comments2023-10-09T05:28:35.705-07:00Comments on Creekside: Monsef "very very sorry" she cannot advocate for PRAlisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-7832262674322775832016-11-04T17:09:26.203-07:002016-11-04T17:09:26.203-07:00I have followed the subject of electoral reform fo...I have followed the subject of electoral reform for some time now, as well as the submissions to the electoral reform committee, and it is clear that the majority of those who are actually engaged in the subject of POLITICS realize that, political ideologies aside, multi member proportional representation is by far the most fair and inclusive form of electoral system for a country such as Canada. The ONLY obstacle in this committee's way from making the RIGHT decision is political partisanship and that would do nothing to serve Canadians, and everything to serve certain selfish political needs. Erik Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13560673127917721089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-24588840520598835742016-11-03T08:27:25.302-07:002016-11-03T08:27:25.302-07:00IMO no one need be surprised by these ‘we’ll-consu...IMO no one need be surprised by these ‘we’ll-consult-feel-your-pain' “liberals”. This country has yo-yo’d LPC / CPC since 1867 — and most are still under their spell! Incredible.<br /><br />After all, it was only a few days ago that Monsef, sobbing in disappointment at not being able to surrender Canada to yet another supra-national corporate-sponsored ‘framework agreement’ (CETA) with international bankers and corporate lawyer staffed ‘dispute resolution’ tribunals — now waffles in tune behind Boy Wonder on this most important peoples' issue. <br /><br />The owners (the real owners) don’t want PR. It challenges their grip. Their puppet actors (#harperlites) perform, on cue.<br /><br />When challenging the ruling elites — the Marquess of Queensberry’s rules are of little use.<br /><br />"When change threatens to rule, the rules are changed." -- Michael ParentiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-76024097655118219292016-10-30T23:26:16.810-07:002016-10-30T23:26:16.810-07:00Our problem is we vote for a candidate, not for a ...Our problem is we vote for a candidate, not for a party. The winner represents the party, not us; even though we voted them in. <br />It is time to have representatives who represent us.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998558071715363472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-6178556602610311112016-10-30T11:57:04.148-07:002016-10-30T11:57:04.148-07:00"we are advocating hard for reform, for refor..."we are advocating hard for reform, for reform that means improvement, that sets the stage for the next generation of leaders to come in and make the system better"<br /><br />Weasel words and wiggle room. They're laying the foundation for the next generation of leaders to come in and possibly/maybe/perhaps fulfill their promises and make the system better.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-66751879794949779422016-10-29T22:10:18.400-07:002016-10-29T22:10:18.400-07:00Great work Alison, depressing though it is. When d...Great work Alison, depressing though it is. When did 'broad buy in' become 'overwhelming majority' as Monsef says twice. Her words imply that PR got a simple majority across the country, but that the new and invisible bar moved to overwhelming majority. And not just overwhelming for any PR system, no, it has to be overwhelming for a particular one. Where's the overwhelming majority for pipelines, TPP? The Liberals are transparent alright, transparently two faced. Ann Remnantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-35829013546183999932016-10-29T16:46:20.773-07:002016-10-29T16:46:20.773-07:00So if monsef doesn't recommend PR, what does s...So if monsef doesn't recommend PR, what does she recommend in its place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-39933863636198570152016-10-29T11:43:28.118-07:002016-10-29T11:43:28.118-07:00This jumped out at me: "....we are advocatin...This jumped out at me: "....we are advocating hard for reform, for reform that means improvement, that sets the stage for the next generation of leaders to come in and make the system better and I think that is my responsibility." Is she saying she wants someone else in the future to make the system better?Skeenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593571575364166331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-88091800779954287242016-10-29T10:57:13.036-07:002016-10-29T10:57:13.036-07:00Funny how the liberals didn't bend over backwa...Funny how the liberals didn't bend over backwards to make sure Canadians wanted the CETA free trade deal eh.<br />Funny how they couldn't get over to Europe fast enough to shove this deal up our associated eh.<br />Funny how they could have done the same thing with election reform but chose not to and stick up our associated again eh.<br /><br />CGHZDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-14839645358783938532016-10-29T07:54:33.731-07:002016-10-29T07:54:33.731-07:00Further...
The last two comments from Monsef tell...Further...<br /><br />The last two comments from Monsef tell the story. <br /><br />First, she's asking Canadians for their views and right now she's got an earful of different voices that do not include every voice. It is HARD for the public to sustain interest in and engage complex issues even when given an opportunity. Note the other comments about election promises. People may not be interested being consulted. They seem to want the government to pick some from of PR for them and stop talking about it, yet if they do that, they'll also complain the government didn't consult Canadians. <br /><br />Second, by saying she'd advocating amid political realities, she's saying she's trying to bring other partie on board across upper and lower houses. Without parliamentary support, even within her own party, PR is not going to get anywhere. Consider the other push by the Liberals to try to do government differently.Borishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952672409601421466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-22804574827731873622016-10-29T07:39:17.899-07:002016-10-29T07:39:17.899-07:00Danneau, how is that clear?
There's a tensio...Danneau, how is that clear? <br /><br />There's a tension between the minister's role as a minister and as an MP in terms of what she might support. As MP, she could say, my constituents are in favour of X. But as minister, she has to weigh that against the rest of the country and the wishes of the other members of her government and the PM. It's something of a flaw in the system. <br /><br />So let's say the ERRE committee comes back with an inconclusive report. Tories say referendum, Greens say this, Dippers say that. Other liberals say whatever. Lets say the results of the minister's consultations and web feedback show no clear pattern of interest or preference? What does the government do? Make a unilateral decision and force a change through? It lets them keep an election promise, but leaves them open to attack for being undemocratic. She can't really even have a declared preference as it isn't her view that matters or decides it. <br /><br /><br />Borishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952672409601421466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-6305522524924935312016-10-29T07:19:00.037-07:002016-10-29T07:19:00.037-07:00It seems clear that Ms. Monsef's allegiance is...It seems clear that Ms. Monsef's allegiance is to party bosses rather than to the integrity of her parliamentary mandate or to her constituents. This seems a general state of affairs with the Liberal caucus, closely mirroring the Cons attitude of the last decade. Start the next campaign, and neither Con nor Lib should get a do-over. We have to try the other guys & gals, but ensure that the pitchforks are visible at all times.Danneauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16129916194006552602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-13391126730784934032016-10-29T06:47:58.830-07:002016-10-29T06:47:58.830-07:00Shorter Libs "Canadians wanted change, we pro...Shorter Libs "Canadians wanted change, we promised change, we're going to work for change, but nothing will likely change."double nickelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02067401914703468252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-47280932432011781122016-10-28T20:27:44.417-07:002016-10-28T20:27:44.417-07:00You're most welcome.You're most welcome.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-30655780161368759302016-10-28T18:20:01.151-07:002016-10-28T18:20:01.151-07:00Thanks for the time and effort of doing this so th...Thanks for the time and effort of doing this so that we can see what actually took place. BravoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01257707480865421445noreply@blogger.com