tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post4792380465983650185..comments2023-10-09T05:28:35.705-07:00Comments on Creekside: Canadian Project for a New American CenturyAlisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-41116582369580521232009-07-14T21:38:06.911-07:002009-07-14T21:38:06.911-07:00No, they didn't learn but they did lose taste ...No, they didn't learn but they did lose taste for it for a while. Excluding UN stuff like the Balkans and very short wars like Grenada, and proxies like Iran-Iraq there was a generation's gap in large scale direct interventionism after Vietnam and before the neocons went for their redux. <br /><br />Yeah, 3 scares me too. States being the clumsy things they are, will not only attempt to protect their elites but also attempt to keep themselves together - with the few tools they have on hand.<br /><br />Hmm...COIN manuals are a bit like seatback emergency cards on airliners: if you find yourself having to use one, you're probably already screwed.Borishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952672409601421466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-7197170843524839622009-07-14T19:59:22.093-07:002009-07-14T19:59:22.093-07:00does anybody seriously think politicians of the da...<i>does anybody seriously think politicians of the day will willingly tread down that path again?</i><br /><br />Well they didn't seem to learn from Vietnam and the Russian experience in Afghanistan<br /><br />#3 is what worries me, Boris, Because their boogieman is global, COIN would seem to suggest they may as well look for him here.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-52589252328954967342009-07-13T19:29:23.580-07:002009-07-13T19:29:23.580-07:00Lots of assumptions behind that shiny new doctrine...Lots of assumptions behind that shiny new doctrine:<br /><br />1. The sort of neolibcon interventionism that leads to hobby wars like Afghanistan and Iraq will last as an ideology. When Iraq and Afghanistan finally end, does anybody seriously think politicians of the day will willingly tread down that path again?<br /><br />2. Modern armies reliant on oil and massive amounts of industrial, tech and financial capital will remain viable when the former goes well past peak, and the latters begins to rapidly shrink in scale and capacity (beginning now...). Is anyone planning for what an armed forces might look like when oil gets real expensive and scarce? The sort of interventionism they're planning for will seem a luxury.<br /><br />3. Oil, climate change, economic upheaval = potential domestic insurgencies, not foreign ones. Domestic insurgencies = a form of civil war. COIN in that environment will be about keeping the masses down and protecting elites.<br /><br />4. Armies can 'fix' societies. 'nuff said.<br /><br />Also, seems there's a vicious circle in there: They wouldn't need a counterinsurgent doctrine if there were no occupying armies to insurge against. But yes, that's a political call. However, the army producing a COIN manual then telling the politicians will only encourage the bastards. <br /><br />Good catch Alison.Borishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952672409601421466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-36850715061571042922009-07-13T08:42:06.138-07:002009-07-13T08:42:06.138-07:00Oops.<a href="http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/2770" rel="nofollow">Oops.</a>chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05203633769014796067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-68608818756023815302009-07-13T08:39:54.978-07:002009-07-13T08:39:54.978-07:00Link to Dominion gives "page not found."...Link to Dominion gives "page not found."<br />Here it is:<br /><a rel="nofollow">http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/2770</a>chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05203633769014796067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-55809110509779870432009-07-13T07:21:00.482-07:002009-07-13T07:21:00.482-07:00collusional damagecollusional damageOemissionshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15052778663890940687noreply@blogger.com