tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post7120288015164878811..comments2023-10-09T05:28:35.705-07:00Comments on Creekside: The Cons - All Israel all the timeAlisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-26189503600198397722010-03-06T08:47:52.275-08:002010-03-06T08:47:52.275-08:00Lindsay - Lindsay - Lindsay .... as Reagan said to...Lindsay - Lindsay - Lindsay .... as Reagan said to J. Carter ... "there ya go again..' speaking sense, logic and consistency of position in a situation that is far beyond that.<br /><br />Certainly what you say is the reasonable way to see the situation - but 'wedge issues' and not concerned with reason and thought - but with emotion, fear and reaction ... <br /><br />Not Sara Palin, John Baird nor J Kenny can be countered by dry thought - they have gone beyond it into the realm of gut reactions.<br /><br />My gut reactor to them is to pray that Canadians will not be sucked in by their anti-intellectual (maybe not anti-intellectual - it is beyond intellectual) foolishness.croghan27https://www.blogger.com/profile/09377054324499227449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-92035444528212311122010-03-02T05:53:50.650-08:002010-03-02T05:53:50.650-08:00anon there's no question that there are ugly r...anon there's no question that there are ugly regimes throughout the region. the choice to protest israeli policies is in no way stating otherwise. one reason that israel gets singled out for this criticism is that we are so close to the nation politically, economically and by unwritten treaty militarily. our business and corporate sector is heavily invested with israel and we do an enormous amount of military provisioning. the military economic numbers are left out of the total trade figures between the nations, a tidbit i found interesting. <br /><br />politically we have all levels of canadian government and all parties it seems, tripping over each other to swear loyalty, friendship and mutuality. we even have an un-negotiated and unwritten treaty declared by our wingnutty politicians declaring an attack against israel an attack against canada. <br /><br />if we are all that married up, then it is not only our right but our duty to criticize crimes against humanity carried out by the israeli government because to do otherwise makes us complicit. for the very same reason that we criticize american excesses, for the very same reason that we demand accountability from our own government for canada's actions in afghanistan. and for the same reasons we condemn atrocities committed by any people or nation against another. <br /><br />criticizing israel is not the same as approving of the situation in darfur or iran or syria or where ever else you'd care to point. there's no shortage of ugliness to this world but israel is supposed to be the regional example, the true democracy our best friend and ally. and it is not acceptable to witness the ongoing crimes against their neighbours. and neither is it acceptable for those neighbours to pop rockets into israeli territory. two wrongs and like that.Lindsay Stewarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13461043718147845594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-71542886561688552942010-03-02T05:40:37.217-08:002010-03-02T05:40:37.217-08:00I like how you set everything out including the qu...I like how you set everything out including the question of our own Canadian issues and also how this is being used as a political wedge issue. IMHO those on the Left who are committed to "solidarity" with the Palestinians might show a little less contempt and hostility for others that are part of the broad coalition that forms the Left who think the existence of Israel was and remains justifiable and based in social justice.Marky Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465497859724027212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-66506062374228775922010-03-02T02:44:08.321-08:002010-03-02T02:44:08.321-08:00The problem with this proposal is why single out I...The problem with this proposal is why single out Israel. The situation is worse in Hamas controlled Gaza and a bit better in the West Bank. There is a lot of prejudice, racism, laws and actions that meet the criteria for apthartheid. If you are not a Muslim and a Palestinian, but say an Israeli Arab Christian, then you suffer a lot. I shold know I use to live there and left because of it. The situation is not much better in other Arab countries such as Syria and Saudi Arabia, or in Iran. Tolerance and understanding isn't part of the mind-set in the Middle East. I think you need to stand back and see the bigger picture and not just limit it to Canadian politics. Canada is a great country and the fact that you can even have this kind of discussion is an example of what it makes it great. Other then in Israel, I don't think the so-called politicians in Gaza and the West Bank could even have this kind of discussion. It is a tribal and feudal society, a fact that is often ignored in north America. At least here there is an open choice which is one of the great things about living in a democracy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-13143758671398593272010-03-01T13:09:17.896-08:002010-03-01T13:09:17.896-08:00It really does stink but nothing stinks as much as...It really does stink but nothing stinks as much as Iggy today - condemning IAW and rolling over on the Afghan detainee documents all on his first day back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com