tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post8386393370544024987..comments2023-10-09T05:28:35.705-07:00Comments on Creekside: Decline Your Vote Elect Some Cons! Alisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-83166948883792822832014-06-14T19:20:14.454-07:002014-06-14T19:20:14.454-07:00When I have time, I'll have to go back and che...When I have time, I'll have to go back and check the date I posted the list. It was based on the 308 list that was posted at that time. Obviously it changed somewhat between what I posted and the last graphic I linked to. With each new poll he rolled into his aggregator, he published a new list. I wasn't updating the list on a daily or weekly basis. I'm not looking to debate each and every nuance of my campaign or even justify it to everyone. I'm quite comfortable with my reasons as are many of the campaign's supporters and those who know me in person from across the political spectrum. A question was asked and I've answered it. I'm proud of my efforts on this campaign and look forward to continuing it in the future such as petitioning the legislature to allow people to decline their vote in secret as voters are allowed to mark their ballot in secret. WE Speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10404274318570578146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-37946417786277281202014-06-14T10:34:13.557-07:002014-06-14T10:34:13.557-07:00None of it worked. Wynne has a majority. Hudak h...None of it worked. Wynne has a majority. Hudak has resigned as leader and Horvath, ought to have. Horvath started this mess. The election cost $90M and then there was all the money spent by the Parties. Horvath didn't seem to look beyond her opportunity to become Premier. Now she is where she started and the NDP is out of a lot of money. Thank you Ms. Horvath. Leaders like her, we don't need in the NDP.e.a.f.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-82607004936747703002014-06-12T21:34:38.302-07:002014-06-12T21:34:38.302-07:00"The peer reviewed study you cite is of no re...<i>"The peer reviewed study you cite is of no relevance whatsoever."</i><br /><br />No, but you must admit it was a hilarious read!<br />A 2007 <a href="http://www.politics.ryerson.ca/rubenson/downloads/low%20turnout.pdf" rel="nofollow">rework of data</a> from the Year 2000 Canadian Election Study, which in turn was based entirely on <a href="http://ces-eec.org/pdf/MakingSense2000.pdf" rel="nofollow">interviews with 3,651 Canadians 14 years ago</a>, 83% of whom identified as voters in the previous election. <br />The authors set out to debunk the notion that increased voter turnout would benefit the left thusly:<br /><br />"We begin by disregarding the stated preferences of non-voters, as given by answers to the survey questions, and instead ascribe to them the preferences of voters who are similar to them along other dimensions. As has already been made clear, some groups in society are less likely to vote than others. However we do observe that a proportion of those low-probability voters do participate in elections. That is, while individuals with high levels of income are far more likely to turnout than those with little income, there are people with low levels of income that do vote. The same goes for other categories of low-probability voters, such as the young. Furthermore we have information on these people's vote choice. Therefore, assigning the revealed preferences of voters in different groups to non-voters in those same groups allows us to draw conclusions about how election results would have looked if everyone voted."<br /><br />What an incredible crock!<br /><br /><br />Hi Paul. You must admit Brian has a point. I looked at that 308 report you linked to. There are many races in it closer in percentage points than the ones you mention on your Target 10 list. Here's an even dozen : <br /><br />Barrie - Con 38/Lib 36 - 2%<br /><br />Burlington - Lib 41/Con 39 - 2% <br /> <br />Cambridge Lib 35/Con 34 - 1%<br /><br />Halton - Con 43/Lib 38 - 5%<br /><br />Niagara Falls - NDP 39/Con 38 - 1%<br /><br />Northunberland - Con 40/Lib36 - 4%<br /><br />Oshawa - Con 41/NDP 37 - 4%<br /><br />Ottawa-Orleans - Lib 44/Con41 - 3%<br /><br />Ottawa West-Nepean Lib 42/Con 39 - 3% <br />Sudbury - NDP 41/Lib 38 - 3%<br /><br />Trinity-Spadina - NDP 38/Lib37 -1%<br /> <br />York Centre - Lib 44/Con 41 - 3%<br /> <br />Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-44030580380315027022014-06-12T11:32:04.067-07:002014-06-12T11:32:04.067-07:00Mr Synnott, you write that the targeted ridings re...Mr Synnott, you write that the targeted ridings represent the closest races as predicted by threehundredeight.com's riding by riding projection list, yet the most casual glance at same indicates otherwise. Indeed, of your “’Top 10’ to target” only Brant ranks amongst those projected by threehundredeight.com as the closest.<br /><br />Of equal interest is the fact that threehundredeight.com counts four ridings currently held by the PCs as amongst the ten tightest races. You, of course, see zero.<br /><br />You write that your campaign is “designed to get people who don't normally vote, to show up and to give an option to those who might not vote because they really don't like any party.” This claim comes into conflict with your previous paragraph, in which you write: “The closest races are the ones that Declining [sic] your vote could have an effect and get politicians [sic] attention. If you're a Liberal in XYZ riding and you lose to an NDP by 100 votes and 200 people declined their vote, you're going to notice.” On the one hand you write that the campaign is meant to appeal to those who typically don’t vote; on the other you suggest that it should lower the vote count for a specific candidate.<br /><br />Either way, I don’t see how you can be so certain of the results. Your campaign may give us all some idea; indeed the results may prove useful to some in the 2015 federal campaign. <br /><br />The peer reviewed study you cite is of no relevance whatsoever. Voter decline and the declining of a vote are two different things; it comes as no surprise that the latter is not so much as mentioned in the study.Brian Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120341319506205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-75855274143756520502014-06-12T11:29:28.504-07:002014-06-12T11:29:28.504-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Brian Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120341319506205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-29122933206590528512014-06-12T09:06:51.241-07:002014-06-12T09:06:51.241-07:00The 10 ridings were chosen from ThreeHundredEight....The 10 ridings were chosen from ThreeHundredEight.com's riding by riding projection list. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3FA7VPkAJ28/U5mjb44dQxI/AAAAAAAATVk/rb5xR3QyvcM/s1600/Ridings.png<br /><br /><br />They were the 10 closest races, based on his predictions. The closest races are the ones that Declining your vote could have an effect and get politicians attention. If you're a Liberal in XYZ riding and you lose to an NDP by 100 votes and 200 people declined their vote, you're going to notice. <br /><br />This is not a voter suppression campaign, it's designed to get people who don't normally vote, to show up and to give an option to those who might not vote because they really don't like any party. It's a complete and utter fallacy that low voter turnout favours conservatives and high turnout favours progressives. It's been debunked many times over by peer reviewed studies. Low voter turnout favours incumbents, high voter turnout favours oppositions. Here's a good Canadian study by 5 PHD's from 3 different universities. http://www.politics.ryerson.ca/rubenson/downloads/low%20turnout.pdfWE Speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10404274318570578146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-66594345126836639222014-06-12T04:15:18.652-07:002014-06-12T04:15:18.652-07:00My pleasure, as always, Alison. A final update fro...My pleasure, as always, Alison. A final update from me regarding the curious "'Top 10' to target" list. <br /><br />Yesterday afternoon I had a brief exchange with Paul Synnott. You can read it <a href="http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/alheli-picazo-decline-your-vote-makes-no-difference?fb_comment_id=fbc_709086279162349_709235635814080_709235635814080#fd610888c" rel="nofollow">here in the comments section</a> of Alheli Picazo's latest column.<br /><br />You'll see that Mr Synnott claims to have chosen the targeted ridings "as the Top 10 closest ridings based on the ThreeHundredEight.com seat prediction." An avid reader of that site, I remember no list of that nature; I've not been able to find one either. Sadly, my request to Mr Synnott for a link has gone unanswered.Brian Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120341319506205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-699025465526821312014-06-12T03:08:43.046-07:002014-06-12T03:08:43.046-07:00Thank you, Brian Busby and Beijing York! Have upda...Thank you, Brian Busby and Beijing York! Have updated the post with your added input. <br /><br />Salamander : ;-)<br /><br />Anon@10:42 : Thanks for keeping me up to date. <br />Yes I figured out Polisource was under new management last night when I visited the current site and saw it advertised as "non-partisan" with Green Party Andrew Weaver posting there.<br />I have some sympathy for the Decline sensibility but not if used solely to suppress the vote of one's political adversaries. Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-81109128939507825712014-06-11T22:42:22.068-07:002014-06-11T22:42:22.068-07:00Alison, since you posted this early this morning, ...Alison, since you posted this early this morning, <a href="http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/node/1821" rel="nofollow">Press Progress</a> has picked it up with some additional information and a link to you, the new non-partisan owners of Polisource have complained on <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/27t4cl/the_decline_your_vote_campaign_was_invented_by/" rel="nofollow">Reddit</a> about Reddit's portrayal of them, <a href="http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-decline-your-vote-campaign-is-probably-not-an-evil-conservative-conspiracy" rel="nofollow">VICE</a> did an interview with Synnott, and Synnott has responded to his critics in the <a href="http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/reevely-decline-your-vote-movement-launched-by-disillusioned-conservative" rel="nofollow">Ottawa Citizen</a>.<br /><br />The key point here is still why these 10 ridings. Mr. Synnott, as you point out, is disillusioned with his Con party but can't endorse any one else so is pushing a strategy to ensure no one votes for any other party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-23234136050801587792014-06-11T14:36:16.524-07:002014-06-11T14:36:16.524-07:00Based on the excellent Election Prediction Project...Based on the excellent Election Prediction Project site, Synott's list doesn't seem to have any particular pattern or vulnerability as a whole:<br /><br />http://www.electionprediction.org/2013_on/index.php<br /><br />Kitchener-Waterloo is currently an NDP seat but the prediction is too close to call. London West is also currently an NDP seat and is predicted to stay NDP according to that site. And Ottawa South was McGuinty's old riding and usually Liberal federally too and is predicted to stay Liberal.<br /><br />As for others on the list, Windsor West is being predicted to change from Liberal to NDP. St. Catherines is predicted to stay Liberal as are Oak Ridges-Markham, Mississauga-Erindale and Etobicoke Centre. <br /><br />Thunderbay-Atikokan is currently Liberal but the prediction is too close to call.<br /><br />Brandt is predicted to change from Liberal to PC. <br /><br />However, if there is some roboscam at play, all those fairly certain predictions could change (no one ever guessed that Liberal incumbent Neville would lose to the CPC by some 700 votes in Winnipeg South Centre in the last election).<br />Beijing Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05579118045254845839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-84613136883348117962014-06-11T12:12:33.131-07:002014-06-11T12:12:33.131-07:00Harper's list of degenerates is, as long as hi...Harper's list of degenerates is, as long as his arm. Some are already in prison, others are on their way.<br /><br />We just saw Wright get away with, aiding, abetting, covered-up and paid the debt for a Senator, who was stealing our tax dollars. The PMO also *sanitized* other, corrupt Senators expense claims. Therefore, the Royal Conservative Mounted Police work for the PMO and not for, the Canadian citizens. This was added to the, RCMP corruption files.<br /><br />Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini were all paranoid control freaks. All of them lied, deceived, were corrupt, thieved, used dirty politics, dirty tactics and all of them cheated to win. Sound familiar? It should.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-35341162898158385412014-06-11T08:27:32.131-07:002014-06-11T08:27:32.131-07:00.. thanks.. I often forget what reptiles, jackals,..... thanks.. I often forget what reptiles, jackals, dung beetles and blowflies a la Synnott & Kouvalis are drawn to the glow of the never ceasing campground election revivals of bible thumping political asshats.. plump with donated funds from dim hysterical Rapture/Economy believers.<br /><br />Actually, you can turn my previous paragraph inside out & it still holds true. <br /><br />ie political asshats like Kouvalis, Synnott et al are drawn to the reptile, jackal, dung beetle and blowfly politicians carping & prancing in their evangelical costumes & screeching, preaching 'Rapture/Economy' in every non subtle way<br /><br />Corporatism & Rapture Evangelism merged with Reformism under Harper, Flanagan.. re-branded as the Conservative Party, then transmogrified into The 'Royal' Harper Government, and provincial political feedlots & farm systems now exist in Liberal BC (Christy Clark) Wild Ass Redford Country, Hudak Ontario etc etc and Australia <br /><br />If smallpox blankets or lobotomy will facilitate a 2nd 'majority' in the next 'election', expect Tony Clement, Ray Novak, Joe Oliver, Jenni Byrne, Jason Kenney, Senator Gerstein & Fred DeLorey to ensure Kouvalis, Synnott and similar crud are well funded by tax payers, & get plenty of support pimping, promoting & distributing science based get warm, get smart TV ads & campaigns for 'Self Vaccination & Shock Treatment for the Nation'<br /><br />Egad.. these conceited pompous reckless deceivers would promote polio or ebola if it could swing the vote. Hell, they fought for asbestos to the bitter end.. Now its Temporary Foreign Workers r Our Values & PTSD is frivolous & vexatious & The PM wants it tossed by the courts, along with our wounded military vets or he'll lock Canada in the bathroomthe salamanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853337802990122289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17909993.post-65477683329731579612014-06-11T06:21:06.332-07:002014-06-11T06:21:06.332-07:00Why target those ten? The answer lies in the diffe...Why target those ten? The answer lies in the differences between provincial and federal representation. Eight of the ten sent Conservatives to Ottawa, but all are represented by either New Democrats or Liberals provincially.<br /><br />The two exceptions:<br /><br />Thunder Bay-Atikokan, one of the few non-coterminous ridings (it's held by the Liberals).<br /><br />Ottawa South, which just happens to be Dalton McGuinty's old riding (held by Liberals both provincially and federally).Brian Busbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120341319506205062noreply@blogger.com