"To waterboard outside our nabe."
All mimsy went the newsy slaves
To hear the mome rath outgabe :
"Tis Ethical Torture now, my son! -
The wires that shock for me and you.
I'm the mustache of John Bolton
And John Yoo is my new guru."
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews explained his not particularly new torture directive for CSIS in the House :
"Mr. Speaker, information obtained by torture is always discounted. However the problem is whether one can safely ignore the information if Canadian lives and property are at stake."
~Dad, what does the minister mean by "torture is always discounted."
~Well, my son, probably around 15%. But once you advertise you're open for business in torture intel, the whole damned market explodes and then no one gets a decent discount.
"The latest directive says in "exceptional circumstances" where there is a threat to human life or public safety, urgency may require CSIS to "share the most complete information available at the time with relevant authorities, including information based on intelligence provided by foreign agencies that may have been derived from the use of torture or mistreatment."
Here's the UN Convention Against Torture, to which we have been a signatory since 1984, on those "exceptional circumstances" :
“No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”
One of the best wrap-ups on the actual harm torture-derived info has done to western intelligence and their agencies, quite apart from the evil or legalities, comes from David Rose at Vanity Fair : Tortured Reasoning.
It ends with an interview with Robert Mueller, Director of the FBI since one week before 9/11 :
I ask Mueller: So far as he is aware, have any attacks on America been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through what the administration still calls “enhanced techniques”?
“I’m really reluctant to answer that,” Mueller says. He pauses, looks at an aide, and then says quietly, declining to elaborate: “I don’t believe that has been the case.”
Update : Dr. Dawg : Debating torture