Saturday, July 23, 2011

Stockwell Day on the tragic shootings in Norway

CBC Power & Politics at noon Friday , edited
Evan Solomon : This raises again.the spectre of international terrorism. 
Stockwell Day : As recently as July 8 in Norway there was a dragnet for al-Qaeda suspects related to the Manchester bombing. Whether this group is tied to them we don't know ...

Solomon : A suspect has now been arrested. This looks like a multiple series of attacks that are going on. Now remember Norway did have a small number of troops in Afghanistan.
It's a very very fluid situation but it does raise all sorts of security issues about - this is a hackneyed phrase but on a day like this it suddenly has new poignancy - the war on terror.
We don't know whose taken credit for this, or responsibility for this attack but if indeed it is al Qaeda if indeed it is an extremist act that has any connection to what's happened in Afghanistan, how do we square that with what the PM said at the end of our mission there that Afghanistan and what's going on there is no longer a threat to global security?

Stockwell Day : Well the level of training that was going on in Afghanistan was extreme in exporting terror.
[Stock goes on about our accomplishments in Afghanistan] In Canada we've had the Toronto 18. Security has to be #1.

Solomon : The profile of these extremists ... Somalia - these are the places where extremists take root.

Stockwell Day : The single reason for this type of terrorism ... this type of terrorism will continue ... and we hope to be able to limit it through the 21 century ... is the result of extreme lunatic insane ideological teaching and it happens whether the people involved are from poor areas or wealthy areas. Don't forget Osama bin Laden himself was a multi-millionaire growing up in Saudi Arabia in a very very wealthy family. The Toronto 18 were all in good financial shape. Many of this extremist al Qaeda type extremist lunatic ideology that is even being bred in the US - these are coming from people who are not disaffected by poverty. This is the result of an insane extreme religious teaching and I encourage those within the broader community to reach out to extremists within their own community and they've got to get the message out to the young people that they are being told lies - that the afterlife for them is not what they're being promised.
Thank you, Doris.

BBC : Scores killed in Norway attacks
A massive bomb blast shattered buildings in the capital Oslo, killing at least seven people. Then a gunman rampaged through a youth camp run by the ruling Labour Party, killing 84 people. On Saturday police continued combing the island as a number of teenagers were still missing, feared dead.
Norwegian media identified the man as Anders Behring Breivik, 32. Police charged him for the island massacre and the Oslo bomb blast.

Police said the man was answering questions and they described him as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.


Anonymous said...

And that will be the last of any media mention this time of fundamentalists or religion or the war on terror or reaching out to extremist members of your community. Suddenly no longer a terrorist, just a lone nutter.

brebis noire said...

Stockboy is right: all of that training going on in Afghanistan is pretty extreme. We're training our boys - and creating wannabe soldiers in the process - to be killers with high-performance weapons. You can kill a lot of people in a short lapse of time with the arsenal we have. Just a question of time before one of ours goes off half-cocked? It's happened before.

ron wilton said...

Doris Day berating terrorism as extreme, lunatic, insane ideological teaching fanatical (fundamentalist) religion.


And what are your personal beliefs again Doris?

What was that funny little guy Pogo said?

"I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us".

Skinny Dipper said...

Perhaps the right-wing in Canada and the US will blame the Muslims in Norway for making a nice European guy go crazy.

Martin Dufresne said...

Can't afford to have Conservatism's good name be sullied by accurate reporting. Just say "jihad", "Al-Qaeda" multiple times in a nonsense rant and throw in "Bin Laden" for good measure and they'll go on drinking the Kool-Aid.

Beijing York said...

...but on a day like this it suddenly has new poignancy - the war on terror.

Solomon is such a blathering idiot and propagandist.

I'm surprised he didn't add that this is why we sacrifice the lives of our troops.

It would be nice if there were some serious analysis of the radicalization of the right wing in western democracies. How long before some Tea Party fanatic gets the idea that attacking an event where their supposed "commie/socialist" enemies are penned together is a patriotic action. (McVeigh was anti-government and probably shared similar values to many Tea Party members.)

West End Bob said...

Can we get Doris to move to Alberta where she obviously would be more at home ? ? ? ?

Anonymous said...

Afghanistan ... training people like Russell Williams to invade our privacy and kill people on our home turf.

Jim Parrett said...

I don't think Evan Solomon should come out of this unscathed. He is leading Day with a unseemly enthusiasm.

With Coren's disgusting blame the victim post, methinks the hate is just starting. The right feels they have been shown up and 'let down' that a right wing extremist committed these acts. It won't be pretty.

Anonymous said...

stockwell need to check with the gov (gov ag like csis)
that subsidies terrorist
free trips etc

Alison said...

The right feels they have been shown up and 'let down' that a right wing extremist committed these acts. It won't be pretty

It already isn't. A regular commenter at Dawg's is passing on Geller's nonsense about the words "Christian" and "conservative" being hacked into the English version of Breivik's facebook, and Colby Cosh at Macleans has managed a post that buries the perp's rightwing anti-Muslim beliefs under an avalanche of references to "Palestinian logic" and Islamic terrorism and "MidEast Wackos."

And these are the sane ones.
Coren is just hideous.

sunsin said...

What do you expect from people who reason from the conclusion to the argument? Of course a terrorist has to be Muslim, somehow! That's their conclusion. How they get there is of no importance or interest to them.

We need to teach some basic logical analysis in schools to combat this. It's a skill that doesn't depend on academic smarts -- any old peasant woman can master it, and probably has. Smelling the Bullshit 101.

Anonymous said...

From Breivik's manifesto:

"Jews that support multi-culturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism as they are to us,” he continued.

“So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

Wingers who rushed to condemn Breivik when they assumed he was a Muslim are now confused to discover he is a white guy who espouses many of their own beliefs.


Steve said...

The salient point for Canada, is that we need a gun registry more than ever. If people on the gun registry were cross referenced with extreme blogs and comment at G%M and especially national post, likely the nut would be identified early.

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